Sunday, December 11, 2005

Rethinking Morality - A fractional visit.

Thinking about morality.

What has struck me before and which was pointed by JK in his comments (here )that our perceptions of what constitutes decency have never been same thorough out the time and in all places .
In some places it is minimalist, in other it is more conservative.
I have never understood what could be the reason behind it.
What is more from an neutral point of view what purpose does decency serve?
First it is a man made construct in the sense no other species shows any need for it.
But even for human society what is the it's requirement.
I could think of this,

Religous emphasis on sex as a sin or females as temptation which is best avoided.
This view was held in Christianity as well as Ascetic Traditions.

But even this doesnt explain, why should religion view sex as taboo.

One of the explainations could be that as society became mongamous, social norms sought to regulate the sex, since there is nothing in human biology which encourage monogamy quite the opposite in fact,overemphasis on sex must have been frowned upon and it was thought fit to limit sex to bedrooms.
Sex existed in public ofcourse, but in form of art, dance, poetry and literature, it was not the raw animal urging but something on an elevated platform.
However like all things relating to rule , as the civilization proceeded, people forgot the reason and started applying these rules mechanically, which must have caused sex to be thought as a sin.

The other view is somewhat related to what Dan Brown said in Da Vinci Code, that an increasingly pateriarchal society marginalised female and hence sex.

These are ofcourse tentative ideas.

Further on this path , I can guess the need for morality. It could have been that in order to establish society it was thought neccessary to regulate sexual activites, and this is quite possible , considering that unlike many mammals humans do not have a specific mating period , which makes humans much more sexually active than other mammals. This might possess challenge to establishing an order.

And that might be the reason I feel slight discomfort with ongoing sexual liberation.
It seeks to liberate sex and turn it back into raw animal urge. The ironical part may be that by doing it it may be harming the sectino (i.e females) it professes to liberate.

What is the difference between notion of vitrue and chastity and notion of scoring up, both are peer pressure and a need to confirm. One is based on "sex is evil", whereas other is based "promiscuous is vitrue". What is the use ,as some feminists have pointed out, if sexual liberation causes barbification, depression and bulimia.

Here it can be argued that freedom is not the cause, it is uninformed choice. I think the problem is freedom is not useful unless accompanied by the right idea, indeed one of the benefits of freedom is that it allows development of right idea.
However mindless adherence to dogma, whether religious or sexual emanicpation , renders freedom meaningless.

The far easier explaination is ofcourse that I am a peeved off loser , which may not be wrong at all.

10 comments:

froginthewell said...

that an increasingly pateriarchal society marginalised female and hence sex.

I would rather think of it this way : in animal societies males control females by force, and females control males by applying the fact that men are too strongly turned on by visual stimuli. The ancients might have ( possibly unconsciously ) thought that since in a civilized society men cannot control women ( force being outlawed ), the vice versa should be prevented to maintain sanity/equilibrium/whatever.

On a side note I don't think traditional patriarchy marginalised women alone, the elites used it to keep the rest of the males under suppression too.

I don't think there is not much point in saying it is good to be "natural" because rapes etc. are a part of animal society. There is no reason to assume that nature "wants" its inhabitants to be happy. If I continue I won't be able to stop; this topic, I guess, is like that.

froginthewell said...

Erratum for the last paragraph : "I don't think there is much point...". Thanks and regards,
froginthewell.

doubtinggaurav said...

Frog,

When I said pateriarchal, what I meant was women were considered as asset and therefore their independance was curtailed.
I reliaze pateriarchal is an inaccurate description for it.

Moreover this considering female of the species as an asset is a very common trait in animal kingdom and even in tribal societies. What my point was as civilization evolved it might have been possible that since brute force was considered immoral, other mechanisations were required.

But I understand the point you made

Regards

froginthewell said...

This is regarding the statement you made in your morality part 1 - that you think a line should be drawn.
Don't you think the world is tending to some ( however arbitrary ) line between decorum and freedom? For instance it seems that primary red, and in all probability most of the "freedom-wise-liberal" people endorse serial monogamy etc. as the "best" moral code. Some form of morality seems to be here to stay.

Also, I don't know if the "promiscuous-is-good" dogma is going strong mainly because of the presence of those with conservative views. May be not, considering such countries as Sweden ( I am sure you know enough examples )?

froginthewell said...

This is regarding the statement you made in your morality part 1 - that you think a line should be drawn.
Don't you think the world is tending to some ( however arbitrary ) line between decorum and freedom? For instance it seems that primary red, and in all probability most of the "freedom-wise-liberal" people endorse serial monogamy etc. as the "best" moral code. Some form of morality seems to be here to stay.

Also, I don't know if the "promiscuous-is-good" dogma is going strong mainly because of the presence of those with conservative views. May be not, considering such countries as Sweden ( I am sure you know enough examples )?

doubtinggaurav said...

Frog,

But that is the point. I do not agree with this distinction.
Why, I ask if I have to let go of marriage, should I stick to serial monogamy, why not polygamy, why not menange a trois.

I think the distinction that is being made is quite arbitrary, ofcourse there will always be subjectivity, the above case is not one in my opinion.

I think problem with sweden is that their social structures are diminished and replaced by welfare state.

In absence of a society, there is no need there is no need for moral either.

Regards

froginthewell said...

I am not saying that serial monogamy is the perfect thing or anything; I too think it is just an arbitrary level at which the present day liberals feel comfortable to draw a line ( however much they forced traditionalists out of their limit of comfort ). I am merely saying that most of the world seems to be moving to a narrow band of possibilities around serial monogamy as their dividing line.

For instance one could argue that there is no reason why caste system is worse than nonvegetarianism; after all why stop at human rights as the absolute criterion for ethics? In an absolute sense, if such a thing makes sense, I don't think we are much more noble than the gupta society but the world today considers a certain arbitrary set of rules as desirable. Whether we like it or not.

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